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Transcontinental Torchwood Tea Party - Meeting One
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analineblue and sariagray (heretofore 'A' and 'S')
What: The Transcontinental Torchwood Tea Party : Rewatch
When: 0200 GMT April 30, 2011 until 0600 GMT April 30, 2011
Episodes: Cyberwoman, Adam, Countrycide
Teas: Earl Gray – 'S' : Tower of London – 'A'
The Mission: To watch episodes that posed many questions. This would, actually, include all episodes in the series, but alas, we didn’t have 24 hours at our disposal. ‘A’ picked Cyberwoman. ‘S’ picked Adam. The random number generator picked Countrycide. This turned into an accidental “Shit Happens to Ianto” marathon. It was also intended, at least in the mind of ‘S’, to serve as a comparison between Ianto’s codependency with Lisa and his possible co-dependency with Jack.
The Results:
First, it must be stated that canon in Torchwood is a rather tricky thing. Any errors within this missive are entirely the fault of ‘S’ for not remembering her shit. She apologizes profusely.
The first episode of the TTT was Cyberwoman.
First, it must be noted (and has been before), that Jubilee pizza takes a long time to deliver. They should work on that. ‘S’ would like to point out that, if she remembers correctly, the location is not that far away from the Hub (see also; Everything Changes).
‘A’ pointed out that the music heard upon the viewer’s introduction to Lisa is both “overly dramatic” and “sweet.” Tanizaki’s reaction was then discussed; both parties found it a bit odd that he seemed so surprised. Did Ianto say, “Hey, I have this secret base and there’s something you might like inside!” (which sounds oddly like one of Jack’s pickup lines)? ‘A’ then wondered how Ianto found Tanizaki. ‘S’ insists Google. “Did you mean: Cyber conversion unit”.
‘A’ and ‘S’ also both wondered why the Torchwood logo was all over Lisa’s conversion unit. Some possibilities:
1) TW 1 had helped build the unit in theirstupidity quest for power
2) Ianto stole parts from the Hub (branded parts) to make the machinery
3) In the future future future parallel universe void of doom, Torchwood is run by cybermen
4) Ianto is really fucked up
‘S’ would like to state here that when Lisa is screeching in the flashback to Canary Wharf, she sounds like Myfanwy. Coincidence? Cleverly-placed parallel? Pathetically low sound effects budget? You be the judge.
Simultaneously, ‘A’ and ‘S’ noted that Lisa is older than Ianto. Why they both found this important, neither mentioned. But they definitely thought it needed to be mentioned. It, perhaps, sheds light on Ianto’s maturity and/or tendency to gravitate towards people who are older than him. ‘S’ thinks this might be some sort of complex. (This is entirely untrue – three years does not a complex make).
‘S’ and ‘A’ both thought that Jack seemed different than he does in Season 2. Obviously he’s different. But, at least to ‘S’, he seemed much more fake, perhaps overacted (and this may well be intentional and is therefore not meant as an outright criticism of John Barrowman or his acting skills). ‘S’ attributes this feeling to having, perhaps, read too much fan fiction of late.
A question posed: “What would have happened if Gwen had just outright shot cyber!Lisa in the face?” Please submit your answer in the form of fan fiction. Or a haiku. Songs are also acceptable.
‘S’ found it interesting that Jack accepts Ianto’s order (because really, that’s what it was) to shut off the power without hesitation. He barely bats an eyelash. This is an interesting part of their dynamic.
‘A’ wondered what a “Code 9” was. ‘S’ proposes that “Code 9” is "Guy I'm Shagging Poses Security Threat."
An excerpt from the official transcript of the first TTT meeting:
A: epic making out coming~
S: All over the place
A: yes~
S: Torchwood: We Have Our Priorities In Order
‘S’ would like to make it known that she would totally video Wife Swap for Rhys.
‘A’ and ‘S’ both agreed that it was interesting how Owen offered Ianto an explanation, and Gwen practically apologized, for the stabbing of cyber!Lisa. ‘S’ pointed out that the team was not nearly as mean to Ianto as she remembered. Again, perhaps an overdose of fan fiction is to blame.
Another questioned posed: “Is Jack trying to give Ianto a chance to fix this on his own?” Or is he sending Ianto to his death? Finally, this goes with both – Is Jack just trying to find a way to avoid having to kill Ianto?
Yet another question: “If the team hadn’t come in (and in less than the allotted 10 minutes), would Ianto have shot pizza!Lisa?”
‘S’ is under the impression that the last scene of the episode takes place during the same night. Yes, Ianto is in new clothing, but there are showers and she fully believes Ianto has spare suits (especially if he is, in fact, ‘with’ Jack at this point).
And then, of course, the age old question (up there with “Why is the sky blue?” and “What’s the meaning of life?” and “What happens when a Timelord dies?”) – “Were Ianto and Jack ‘together’ prior to the events of Cyberwoman?”
‘S’ is leaning towards yes. Perhaps nothing concrete or even particularly involving sex of any kind, but there were plenty of gestures and facial tics and hurt glances and speech patterns that indicated that perhaps something other than run-of-the-mill flirting had happened.
The second episode of the night was Adam.
Of note, the Netflix page makes mention of “Jack’s love for Ianto” being the impetus of the resolution. Just in case you were wondering.
‘S’ would like it to be known that the first time she watched Adam, she thought she had missed an episode or an explanatory opening and went back about five times. She later determined that she was not, in fact, going crazy. Also, the insert of Adam in the opening sequence is still Amazing.
‘A’ wondered why Owen was the most changed of the group. ‘S’ posited that the memory altering dislodged previous memories which either 1) allowed unmasked personalities to shine through or 2) allowed a sort of “turn left” scenario in which characters developed without certain experience that would have changed the individual.
The Plot Hole was discussed and perhaps does not need mentioning here, as we are all familiar. Still, I imagine a strange conversation at the Williams-Cooper wedding. “Why didn’t you invite Adam to our wedding, Gwennie?” “Who?”
Another age-old question of great importance: Why is Gray wearing Uggs?
Also, it was discussed whether or not Adam could just materialize or if he is just a rather sneaky bastard. While no conclusion had been drawn, ‘S’ is pretty much banking on materialization. Except that, when he’s locked up, he doesn’t get out. There are always flaws to ‘S’s logic.
Both also found it odd that Ianto was hanging around in the dark to read his diary. Obviously, darkness sets the scene, but from a logical standpoint, it doesn’t make much sense.
Of course, it was then questioned whether or not Ianto has this capability and desire to murder women within himself. Both ‘A’ and ‘S’ are fans of dark!Ianto, and consider it to be a possibility. If things hadn’t gone a certain way, this might have been the outcome. Maybe it’s also a comment on humanity – that we all have this buried somewhere within ourselves, but it never comes to pass. Certain things have to snap. Then again, as Adam points out himself, he’s “feeding in the bad memories.” With the others, he was just feeding himself into their memories. ‘S’ would like to state, for the record, that the look on Ianto’s face when he killed the girl against the wall was quite wonderful.
‘S’ found it interesting that Jack enters the Hub all broody before noticing Ianto. His perspective seems to totally shift and, even before Ianto makes his “confession,” Jack seems to devote all of his attention. Or at least, the same level of attention he usually devotes. This shows, in the mind of ‘S’, an interesting dynamic.
When the team is in the conference room, preparing to divulge their memories, Jack asks them to think about “what makes you what you are” or something along those lines. Ianto, interestingly, essentially speaks only of Lisa, of falling in love, and of Jack. Ianto is comprised, at least in his own mind and at least at this point in time, of other people.
Wikipedia, the wonderfully illuminating source that it is, explains codependency in the following way: Codependency is a tendency to behave in overly passive or excessively caretaking ways that negatively impact one's relationships and quality of life. It also often involves putting one's needs at a lower priority than others while being excessively preoccupied with the needs of others. Codependency can occur in any type of relationship, including in families, at work, in friendships, and also in romantic, peer or community relationships. Codependency may also be characterized by denial, low self-esteem, excessive compliance, and/or control patterns.
This works well with Jack as the noted narcissist. Again, as explained by Wikipedia, Narcissists, with their ability to "get others to buy into their vision and help them make it a reality," are natural magnets for the "'co-dependent' ... [with] the tendency to put others' need before their own". Sam Vaknin considered that codependents, as "the Watsons of this world, 'provide the narcissist with an obsequious, unthreatening audience ... the perfect backdrop.'" Among the reciprocally locking interactions of the pair, are the way "the narcissist has an overpowering need to feel important and special, and the co-dependent has a strong need to help others feel that way. ... The narcissist overdoes self-caring and demands it from others, while the co-dependent underdoes or may even do almost no self-caring.” In psychoanalytic terms, the narcissist "who manifests such 'omnipotent' behaviour and who seems to be especially 'independent' exerts an especially fascinating effect on all ... dependent persons ... [who] struggle to participate in the 'omnipotent' narcissist's power": narcissist and codependent "participate together in a form of an ego-defense system called projective identification."
Rappoport identifies codependents of narcissists as "co-narcissists.": "the codependent narcissist gives up his or her own needs to feed and fuel the needs of the other."
‘S’ believes that watching Cyberwoman and Adam in tandem really illustrates this. A whole season has taken place in between the two (Cyberwoman is S1:04 and Adam is S2:05) and, while Ianto has absolutely grown in that time, there are things about him which stay the same.
To drive that home, when Jack kisses Ianto in Cyberwoman and kisses his forehead in Adam, his hand is in the same place on Ianto’s neck/collarbone. It may be unintentional, but it draws a pretty parallel. Further, Adam was floating around in the Void, presumably…with cybermen.
‘S’ also poses that the measuring tape line has nothing to do with sex. She is now of the firm belief that Ianto needed a new couch, and Jack helped him buy it. Jack measured the space, but the couch ended up not fitting. There will probably be a story revolving around this scenario in the future.
Of course, there were a multitude of questions at the end. Did Adam travel in that box? Why is there sand in it? What happens to it?
There was also much sadness in regards to the Team That Is No Longer. Let’s all have a moment of silence for them.
While deciding on what to watch next, this brief exchange took place:
S: We can stop if you want
A: no, no, I'm good if you are...
It was amusing at the time.
Anyway, ‘S’ and ‘A’ then proceeded to watch Countrycide as chosen by a random number generator.
The first thing both parties would like to state is a reminder to just keep driving and call the police when you come across a dead body in the road. Do not exit your car. If you cannot call the police, keep driving. Do not walk around like the baseball bat that you have stashed inexplicably in your backseat is going to protect you.
‘A’ wondered why they needed such ridiculously large tents, and so many of them. ‘S’ echoed her curiosity. Both parties also would have liked to see more of the interaction between Gwen and Owen, and also scenes like those shared by Gwen and Owen shared between Jack and Ianto. ‘S’ noted that the onscreen interaction between Jack and Ianto throughout the series seemed to fit in between the Gwen/Owen dynamic and the Gwen/Rhys dynamic.
Again, both found it interesting that Jack sends Ianto and Tosh, the agents with presumably the least amount of fieldwork, off on their own. ‘S’ assumes that it is an attempt to display trust, but it is an ill-advised attempt at best.
‘S’ pointed out that it is a common trope to illustrate Owen as having bad bedside manner. It is understood that his relationship with Gwen was at a very interesting place at this moment, but considering all of the circumstances, he is steady and calming.
When Tosh and Ianto are trapped in the basement, Tosh mentions that she has not met a cell that she could not get out of. Technically, this is true.
For the sake of her bizarre Owen?Ianto love, ‘S’ pointed out that Owen makes such an adorable noise when he sees Ianto all trussed up.
Both found, even though they understood it, Gwen’s voiceover at the end to be weird. ‘S’ thinks that going to go have sex with your coworker does not lead to dramatic monologue during the event. ‘S’ did find it sweet, though, in Owen’s response and general…Owenness.
Two things were mentioned throughout the viewing of Countrycide that bear mentioning. First, as brought up by ‘A’, Ianto has such a will to live here that is incredible. As ‘A’ stated, “[Ianto]'s scared, because his life is in danger.” She also mentioned that she didn’t think it would be possible a month ago.
The other instance brought up by both parties at frequent intervals was a love of the camera angles and various shots. This was shot so beautifully, and, while ‘S’ doesn’t know all of the terms involved in videography, she thought each served to heighten fear. Whether or not it was cheap is another discussion for people who know these sorts of things.
In retrospect, ‘S’ sees Countrycide as a singular episode. Although it’s only six episodes into the first season, it takes us out of the Hub, which has become our touchstone for Torchwood. We are as out of our element as the team seems to be. We don’t know what’s going to happen next. And that is pretty interesting. Of course, it stands out more in a rewatch when so much (at least two seasons’ worth) has happened within the Hub.
And that, as they say, as that. Join ‘A’ and ‘S’ next time (whenever that might be, if it happens again, even. Who knows?) when they tackle some more episodes in the Transcontinental Torchwood Tea Party!
Also, feel free to comment with your own ideas and thoughts. We would love to hear what you have to say about these episodes!
analineblue and sariagray (heretofore 'A' and 'S')What: The Transcontinental Torchwood Tea Party : Rewatch
When: 0200 GMT April 30, 2011 until 0600 GMT April 30, 2011
Episodes: Cyberwoman, Adam, Countrycide
Teas: Earl Gray – 'S' : Tower of London – 'A'
The Mission: To watch episodes that posed many questions. This would, actually, include all episodes in the series, but alas, we didn’t have 24 hours at our disposal. ‘A’ picked Cyberwoman. ‘S’ picked Adam. The random number generator picked Countrycide. This turned into an accidental “Shit Happens to Ianto” marathon. It was also intended, at least in the mind of ‘S’, to serve as a comparison between Ianto’s codependency with Lisa and his possible co-dependency with Jack.
The Results:
First, it must be stated that canon in Torchwood is a rather tricky thing. Any errors within this missive are entirely the fault of ‘S’ for not remembering her shit. She apologizes profusely.
The first episode of the TTT was Cyberwoman.
First, it must be noted (and has been before), that Jubilee pizza takes a long time to deliver. They should work on that. ‘S’ would like to point out that, if she remembers correctly, the location is not that far away from the Hub (see also; Everything Changes).
‘A’ pointed out that the music heard upon the viewer’s introduction to Lisa is both “overly dramatic” and “sweet.” Tanizaki’s reaction was then discussed; both parties found it a bit odd that he seemed so surprised. Did Ianto say, “Hey, I have this secret base and there’s something you might like inside!” (which sounds oddly like one of Jack’s pickup lines)? ‘A’ then wondered how Ianto found Tanizaki. ‘S’ insists Google. “Did you mean: Cyber conversion unit”.
‘A’ and ‘S’ also both wondered why the Torchwood logo was all over Lisa’s conversion unit. Some possibilities:
1) TW 1 had helped build the unit in their
2) Ianto stole parts from the Hub (branded parts) to make the machinery
3) In the future future future parallel universe void of doom, Torchwood is run by cybermen
4) Ianto is really fucked up
‘S’ would like to state here that when Lisa is screeching in the flashback to Canary Wharf, she sounds like Myfanwy. Coincidence? Cleverly-placed parallel? Pathetically low sound effects budget? You be the judge.
Simultaneously, ‘A’ and ‘S’ noted that Lisa is older than Ianto. Why they both found this important, neither mentioned. But they definitely thought it needed to be mentioned. It, perhaps, sheds light on Ianto’s maturity and/or tendency to gravitate towards people who are older than him. ‘S’ thinks this might be some sort of complex. (This is entirely untrue – three years does not a complex make).
‘S’ and ‘A’ both thought that Jack seemed different than he does in Season 2. Obviously he’s different. But, at least to ‘S’, he seemed much more fake, perhaps overacted (and this may well be intentional and is therefore not meant as an outright criticism of John Barrowman or his acting skills). ‘S’ attributes this feeling to having, perhaps, read too much fan fiction of late.
A question posed: “What would have happened if Gwen had just outright shot cyber!Lisa in the face?” Please submit your answer in the form of fan fiction. Or a haiku. Songs are also acceptable.
‘S’ found it interesting that Jack accepts Ianto’s order (because really, that’s what it was) to shut off the power without hesitation. He barely bats an eyelash. This is an interesting part of their dynamic.
‘A’ wondered what a “Code 9” was. ‘S’ proposes that “Code 9” is "Guy I'm Shagging Poses Security Threat."
An excerpt from the official transcript of the first TTT meeting:
A: epic making out coming~
S: All over the place
A: yes~
S: Torchwood: We Have Our Priorities In Order
‘S’ would like to make it known that she would totally video Wife Swap for Rhys.
‘A’ and ‘S’ both agreed that it was interesting how Owen offered Ianto an explanation, and Gwen practically apologized, for the stabbing of cyber!Lisa. ‘S’ pointed out that the team was not nearly as mean to Ianto as she remembered. Again, perhaps an overdose of fan fiction is to blame.
Another questioned posed: “Is Jack trying to give Ianto a chance to fix this on his own?” Or is he sending Ianto to his death? Finally, this goes with both – Is Jack just trying to find a way to avoid having to kill Ianto?
Yet another question: “If the team hadn’t come in (and in less than the allotted 10 minutes), would Ianto have shot pizza!Lisa?”
‘S’ is under the impression that the last scene of the episode takes place during the same night. Yes, Ianto is in new clothing, but there are showers and she fully believes Ianto has spare suits (especially if he is, in fact, ‘with’ Jack at this point).
And then, of course, the age old question (up there with “Why is the sky blue?” and “What’s the meaning of life?” and “What happens when a Timelord dies?”) – “Were Ianto and Jack ‘together’ prior to the events of Cyberwoman?”
‘S’ is leaning towards yes. Perhaps nothing concrete or even particularly involving sex of any kind, but there were plenty of gestures and facial tics and hurt glances and speech patterns that indicated that perhaps something other than run-of-the-mill flirting had happened.
The second episode of the night was Adam.
Of note, the Netflix page makes mention of “Jack’s love for Ianto” being the impetus of the resolution. Just in case you were wondering.
‘S’ would like it to be known that the first time she watched Adam, she thought she had missed an episode or an explanatory opening and went back about five times. She later determined that she was not, in fact, going crazy. Also, the insert of Adam in the opening sequence is still Amazing.
‘A’ wondered why Owen was the most changed of the group. ‘S’ posited that the memory altering dislodged previous memories which either 1) allowed unmasked personalities to shine through or 2) allowed a sort of “turn left” scenario in which characters developed without certain experience that would have changed the individual.
The Plot Hole was discussed and perhaps does not need mentioning here, as we are all familiar. Still, I imagine a strange conversation at the Williams-Cooper wedding. “Why didn’t you invite Adam to our wedding, Gwennie?” “Who?”
Another age-old question of great importance: Why is Gray wearing Uggs?
Also, it was discussed whether or not Adam could just materialize or if he is just a rather sneaky bastard. While no conclusion had been drawn, ‘S’ is pretty much banking on materialization. Except that, when he’s locked up, he doesn’t get out. There are always flaws to ‘S’s logic.
Both also found it odd that Ianto was hanging around in the dark to read his diary. Obviously, darkness sets the scene, but from a logical standpoint, it doesn’t make much sense.
Of course, it was then questioned whether or not Ianto has this capability and desire to murder women within himself. Both ‘A’ and ‘S’ are fans of dark!Ianto, and consider it to be a possibility. If things hadn’t gone a certain way, this might have been the outcome. Maybe it’s also a comment on humanity – that we all have this buried somewhere within ourselves, but it never comes to pass. Certain things have to snap. Then again, as Adam points out himself, he’s “feeding in the bad memories.” With the others, he was just feeding himself into their memories. ‘S’ would like to state, for the record, that the look on Ianto’s face when he killed the girl against the wall was quite wonderful.
‘S’ found it interesting that Jack enters the Hub all broody before noticing Ianto. His perspective seems to totally shift and, even before Ianto makes his “confession,” Jack seems to devote all of his attention. Or at least, the same level of attention he usually devotes. This shows, in the mind of ‘S’, an interesting dynamic.
When the team is in the conference room, preparing to divulge their memories, Jack asks them to think about “what makes you what you are” or something along those lines. Ianto, interestingly, essentially speaks only of Lisa, of falling in love, and of Jack. Ianto is comprised, at least in his own mind and at least at this point in time, of other people.
Wikipedia, the wonderfully illuminating source that it is, explains codependency in the following way: Codependency is a tendency to behave in overly passive or excessively caretaking ways that negatively impact one's relationships and quality of life. It also often involves putting one's needs at a lower priority than others while being excessively preoccupied with the needs of others. Codependency can occur in any type of relationship, including in families, at work, in friendships, and also in romantic, peer or community relationships. Codependency may also be characterized by denial, low self-esteem, excessive compliance, and/or control patterns.
This works well with Jack as the noted narcissist. Again, as explained by Wikipedia, Narcissists, with their ability to "get others to buy into their vision and help them make it a reality," are natural magnets for the "'co-dependent' ... [with] the tendency to put others' need before their own". Sam Vaknin considered that codependents, as "the Watsons of this world, 'provide the narcissist with an obsequious, unthreatening audience ... the perfect backdrop.'" Among the reciprocally locking interactions of the pair, are the way "the narcissist has an overpowering need to feel important and special, and the co-dependent has a strong need to help others feel that way. ... The narcissist overdoes self-caring and demands it from others, while the co-dependent underdoes or may even do almost no self-caring.” In psychoanalytic terms, the narcissist "who manifests such 'omnipotent' behaviour and who seems to be especially 'independent' exerts an especially fascinating effect on all ... dependent persons ... [who] struggle to participate in the 'omnipotent' narcissist's power": narcissist and codependent "participate together in a form of an ego-defense system called projective identification."
Rappoport identifies codependents of narcissists as "co-narcissists.": "the codependent narcissist gives up his or her own needs to feed and fuel the needs of the other."
‘S’ believes that watching Cyberwoman and Adam in tandem really illustrates this. A whole season has taken place in between the two (Cyberwoman is S1:04 and Adam is S2:05) and, while Ianto has absolutely grown in that time, there are things about him which stay the same.
To drive that home, when Jack kisses Ianto in Cyberwoman and kisses his forehead in Adam, his hand is in the same place on Ianto’s neck/collarbone. It may be unintentional, but it draws a pretty parallel. Further, Adam was floating around in the Void, presumably…with cybermen.
‘S’ also poses that the measuring tape line has nothing to do with sex. She is now of the firm belief that Ianto needed a new couch, and Jack helped him buy it. Jack measured the space, but the couch ended up not fitting. There will probably be a story revolving around this scenario in the future.
Of course, there were a multitude of questions at the end. Did Adam travel in that box? Why is there sand in it? What happens to it?
There was also much sadness in regards to the Team That Is No Longer. Let’s all have a moment of silence for them.
While deciding on what to watch next, this brief exchange took place:
S: We can stop if you want
A: no, no, I'm good if you are...
It was amusing at the time.
Anyway, ‘S’ and ‘A’ then proceeded to watch Countrycide as chosen by a random number generator.
The first thing both parties would like to state is a reminder to just keep driving and call the police when you come across a dead body in the road. Do not exit your car. If you cannot call the police, keep driving. Do not walk around like the baseball bat that you have stashed inexplicably in your backseat is going to protect you.
‘A’ wondered why they needed such ridiculously large tents, and so many of them. ‘S’ echoed her curiosity. Both parties also would have liked to see more of the interaction between Gwen and Owen, and also scenes like those shared by Gwen and Owen shared between Jack and Ianto. ‘S’ noted that the onscreen interaction between Jack and Ianto throughout the series seemed to fit in between the Gwen/Owen dynamic and the Gwen/Rhys dynamic.
Again, both found it interesting that Jack sends Ianto and Tosh, the agents with presumably the least amount of fieldwork, off on their own. ‘S’ assumes that it is an attempt to display trust, but it is an ill-advised attempt at best.
‘S’ pointed out that it is a common trope to illustrate Owen as having bad bedside manner. It is understood that his relationship with Gwen was at a very interesting place at this moment, but considering all of the circumstances, he is steady and calming.
When Tosh and Ianto are trapped in the basement, Tosh mentions that she has not met a cell that she could not get out of. Technically, this is true.
For the sake of her bizarre Owen?Ianto love, ‘S’ pointed out that Owen makes such an adorable noise when he sees Ianto all trussed up.
Both found, even though they understood it, Gwen’s voiceover at the end to be weird. ‘S’ thinks that going to go have sex with your coworker does not lead to dramatic monologue during the event. ‘S’ did find it sweet, though, in Owen’s response and general…Owenness.
Two things were mentioned throughout the viewing of Countrycide that bear mentioning. First, as brought up by ‘A’, Ianto has such a will to live here that is incredible. As ‘A’ stated, “[Ianto]'s scared, because his life is in danger.” She also mentioned that she didn’t think it would be possible a month ago.
The other instance brought up by both parties at frequent intervals was a love of the camera angles and various shots. This was shot so beautifully, and, while ‘S’ doesn’t know all of the terms involved in videography, she thought each served to heighten fear. Whether or not it was cheap is another discussion for people who know these sorts of things.
In retrospect, ‘S’ sees Countrycide as a singular episode. Although it’s only six episodes into the first season, it takes us out of the Hub, which has become our touchstone for Torchwood. We are as out of our element as the team seems to be. We don’t know what’s going to happen next. And that is pretty interesting. Of course, it stands out more in a rewatch when so much (at least two seasons’ worth) has happened within the Hub.
And that, as they say, as that. Join ‘A’ and ‘S’ next time (whenever that might be, if it happens again, even. Who knows?) when they tackle some more episodes in the Transcontinental Torchwood Tea Party!
Also, feel free to comment with your own ideas and thoughts. We would love to hear what you have to say about these episodes!
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I think I need to rewatch stuff more often!! (And actually, I had rewatched I think the first 3 or so episodes with my mom right when I started getting into the fandom, and though the same thing then. Because the first episode really sets things up SO well. GUH. *waves TW banner~* :P)
Anyway. We should do that again sometime. ♥
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Also, I totally believe that there was 'something' between Jack and Ianto before cyberwoman. I don't think it was sex... but I htink it was hinted at and I think there was probably a bit more emotion involved than either would ever admit.
Oh Adam ... i have such a love/hate relationship with that episode.....
..... possibility of joining into the next TTT? *small voice* maybe?
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