MD Thoughts

[sariagray]

Okay. Here's a thought. It's probably not a new thought at all, but...it exists.

No one can die. Unless they're burned. I'm going to go with burning actually working for now, until proven otherwise. If I missed a line of dialogue somewhere that contradicts this, let me know.

So. Let's say Jack was incinerated. Instantly. Completely. How does he come back from that? I mean, of course, prior to the Miracle. And I know he's been exploded and came back from that, but burnt to nothing but ash? That isn't regenerating cells, as there is no point to start from. Just...ash.

Also, if Owen had really wanted to die...couldn't they have incinerated him? It'd work the same way, I imagine.

I'm going to go...stop being morbid now.

Comments

[lawsontl.livejournal.com]

Allow me to add to your morbidity!

I hope I'm not offending you should you already have a loved one in an urn in your life, and maybe you already know this, but I'm leading to a point, I swear!

Cremation does not reduce a body to ash. Bone fragments remain, sometimes rather sizable ones despite the intense heat. They're usually pulverized as the last stage of the process. Even then, it's not a fine, consistent ash unless the crematorium takes great pains to sift and pulverize repeatedly. The four sets of cremains I have are like coarse sand with some flecks of bone that are comparable to the size and shape of a panko bread crumb (Yes, I admit I'm weird, but I just spent several minutes trying to think of something similar).

My point is that cremation should give no different results than those for the crispy-fried bomber from E1. The cremated people may not have nice moist eyes and functioning lids, but there's still SOMETHING there to contain this abundance of life Jack says they have.

Also, Vera herself points out that no one goes into comas any longer, and no one has the mercy of losing consciousness. So they writers are either completely forgetting what they've already established (which wouldn't surprise me), or that's part of the point they're trying to make: it's really THAT horrible what's being done.

All of which leaves me wondering exactly WHAT Gwen blew up, and if there were any people inside...

[xrai-namere.livejournal.com]

It has been implied that Jack was incinerated (or almost) in that episode in Doctor Who, the one with the Daleks. He's presumed dead and dumped into an incinerator. But since he came out with his clothing intact I don't suppose that counts.

[eldarwannabe.livejournal.com]

I'm just popping in to say...

IF THEY HAD BURNT JACK TO A KENTUCKY FRIED CRISP, HE STILL WOULD HAVE COME BACK.

If he can come back from being blown up from a stomach!bomb into itty bitty bits, reconstituting from ashes isn't actually the biggest leap.

We've already established that world isn't not!dying the way Jack was dying and coming back. Meaning that if it really does turn out that Jack's DNA was used to make the miracle...it makes NO SENSE. Argh.

Someone, and I honestly can't remember who, did make the comment that it's possible that the people are still aware, as ASHES. Which would actually be so creepy as to probably go back around to ridiculous, but would still be plenty painful and I don't think they've thought that far, honestly. I'm actually hoping really hard for a truly surprising turn-around ending, wherein Jack has been immortal this whole time, just overreacting, and it's really an alien conspiracy from Mars. COME ON RTD. DON'T LET MY CRACK!THEORIES DOWN.

(Owen is totes still hanging around the nuclear plant, bits of DNA floating in the wind. Probably snarking to himself a lot.)

[siobhan-jane.livejournal.com]

This was the first episode I actually liked. Up until now, I've been like "whatever", but I actually got into the ep. I think it was because there was a bit more Jack/Gwen/Rhys interaction. When the old team is together, I care. When they aren't..eh.

I don't think they did a good job with the Gwen explosion scene. It was totally unclear to me what she was blowing up. And yeah, were there people in there?

And of course, as I figured, this is turning out to be all about Jack...which is ok with me. He's the only reason I watch the show anyway.

[miss-bekahrose.livejournal.com]

Jane Espenson announced on Twitter that the ash as a result from the cremations is NOT sentient. Cremation = Deader than Dead.

That being said, I agree with a lot of things said in the comments regarding eyeballs and brain function/dysfunction and ashes not being 100% pure ash (My grandparents and uncle all have pride of place on top of the dvd cupboard at my parents house).

My big thing was - the brain (head) gets severed from the body, therefore, it shouldn't really be connected to anything any more, so by rights those people (ie, the blown up guy from episode 1), should be equivalent to zombie or a couch potato.

As for Gwen's stunning display with the C4, I think the ovens were empty because the doctor/nurse/official kept commenting on bodies not being moved to the module until 6am.