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sariagrayI still don't know where I am on the spectrum of Torchwood-love right now.
Tonight's episode was...good. But I have some issues.
First - why is Jack dressed like that in 1927? No, really. It does NOT make sense. AT ALL. All it made me think was that Jack was not doing his linear Torchwood bit, but time-traveling back from some post-WWII time. He could NOT have gotten that coat or those clothes at that point unless 1) he commissioned it specially (and why would he do that?) or 2) he time-traveled (either jumped ahead to get the coat, or back after having gotten it in the first place).
Not to mention Jack talking about Nazis and the Third Reich like it would have the same sort of relevance for his audience was frustrating. What was more frustrating was that the guy seemed to be totally following along.
Now, I am no scholar of sartorial history, but is it not Established Fact in canon that the coat is WWII-era? If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But. Meh.
Also, Antonio? Alonzo? Damnit, I already forgot his name. He annoyed me. Honestly, I'm not interested in Jack's past except when it's in the immediacy of the present (think John Hart). So an extended Lifetime Original Movie (that I'm titling "The Coast of Amalfi" and which has a subplot starring Julia Roberts) was Not Interesting to me at all. In fact, it felt so totally...creepy, to be honest. There were sweet moments, but I didn't believe anything and really? Weird.
I am also kind of sick of Jack only being with men. What happened to omnisexuality? It's like they give us a figurehead for a progressive idea and strip him down to a weak stereotype. It makes me irate.
Honestly, I find that I dislike the Jane Espenson episodes the most. So I checked on Wikipedia and lo and behold, she wrote this one.
In other news, Gwen was fierce, at least, and so was Andy, and I loved them both. I also loved Esther and Rex.
Can Jack die yet? I mean, okay, I like him well enough and his death would make me sad, but I just think it would be a good, solid culmination. This series has dragged on. I will watch it until the end, but I'm just not nearly as enthused as I want to be. I'm disappointed, I think. Just plain, flat-out disappointed.
And here is where I rambled about religious symbolism (Judas/Jesus shipper, anyone?) and religion in general (that was a really good speech that Jack made and would've been better if it wasn't so overacted), torture (no wonder the Valiant sucked a lot) and "I came back for you" (and "Hey, Ianto, I like you better because it wasn't your fault I got tortured!") and how it all comes full-circle, and I try to make it all make sense. It was a million paragraphs long. But now it's been reduced to a sentence. LJ's fault. Probably for the better.
ETA: I totally knew what the woman was going to say at the end, but I totally wanted her to say "Ianto Jones." Because that would've been hilarious/awesome/badass/wtf all at once.
Tonight's episode was...good. But I have some issues.
First - why is Jack dressed like that in 1927? No, really. It does NOT make sense. AT ALL. All it made me think was that Jack was not doing his linear Torchwood bit, but time-traveling back from some post-WWII time. He could NOT have gotten that coat or those clothes at that point unless 1) he commissioned it specially (and why would he do that?) or 2) he time-traveled (either jumped ahead to get the coat, or back after having gotten it in the first place).
Not to mention Jack talking about Nazis and the Third Reich like it would have the same sort of relevance for his audience was frustrating. What was more frustrating was that the guy seemed to be totally following along.
Now, I am no scholar of sartorial history, but is it not Established Fact in canon that the coat is WWII-era? If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But. Meh.
Also, Antonio? Alonzo? Damnit, I already forgot his name. He annoyed me. Honestly, I'm not interested in Jack's past except when it's in the immediacy of the present (think John Hart). So an extended Lifetime Original Movie (that I'm titling "The Coast of Amalfi" and which has a subplot starring Julia Roberts) was Not Interesting to me at all. In fact, it felt so totally...creepy, to be honest. There were sweet moments, but I didn't believe anything and really? Weird.
I am also kind of sick of Jack only being with men. What happened to omnisexuality? It's like they give us a figurehead for a progressive idea and strip him down to a weak stereotype. It makes me irate.
Honestly, I find that I dislike the Jane Espenson episodes the most. So I checked on Wikipedia and lo and behold, she wrote this one.
In other news, Gwen was fierce, at least, and so was Andy, and I loved them both. I also loved Esther and Rex.
Can Jack die yet? I mean, okay, I like him well enough and his death would make me sad, but I just think it would be a good, solid culmination. This series has dragged on. I will watch it until the end, but I'm just not nearly as enthused as I want to be. I'm disappointed, I think. Just plain, flat-out disappointed.
And here is where I rambled about religious symbolism (Judas/Jesus shipper, anyone?) and religion in general (that was a really good speech that Jack made and would've been better if it wasn't so overacted), torture (no wonder the Valiant sucked a lot) and "I came back for you" (and "Hey, Ianto, I like you better because it wasn't your fault I got tortured!") and how it all comes full-circle, and I try to make it all make sense. It was a million paragraphs long. But now it's been reduced to a sentence. LJ's fault. Probably for the better.
ETA: I totally knew what the woman was going to say at the end, but I totally wanted her to say "Ianto Jones." Because that would've been hilarious/awesome/badass/wtf all at once.
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Date: 2011-08-20 08:15 pm (UTC)*sigh*
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Date: 2011-08-21 02:45 pm (UTC)But I like the idea of the relationship with Angelo being a reason Jack was both attracted to Ianto and reluctant to be with Ianto and how much of a risk it took to be with Ianto. That makes me love Jack in a heartbreaking way.
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Date: 2011-08-21 03:10 pm (UTC)While I was watching I kept catching Jack/Ianto things:
Knocking Angelo to the floor and being on top of him..so Jack/Ianto rolling around on floor.
The Jack being sensitive to Angelo's concerns about being gay. He never was with Ianto.
The "came back for you" line.
The "men like you line"
The fixed point in time line.
There are too many things...either she really messed up...or it was on purpose for some reason.